Well said by everyone. Management and there ineptitude has certainly cost this and many industries dearly. The Management labor relationship is like a marriage.... it takes both sides to make it work. And in some cases, labor has been their own worst enemy. When things are going good... its because both sides are doing everything they can to make it work... conversely when things are going badly EVERYONE must take some of the blame. Management and labor alike. Anyone who thinks or believe that Management and they alone are responsible for 100% of the mess of this industry is delusional. What % does it break out, I do not know. But I do know this, when a marriage fails and divorce happens, BOTH parties are culpable even if the blame is lopsided and I believe its the same in business, the airline biz....and every business.

Before some of you have a coronary or have a seizure by your laptop just think about the state of this business and how we got to this point and I think you will see my point. FWIW..... I think the mgt even at WELL run airlines are a bunch of idiots for the most part.

Management doesnt value flight crews... why? Because most of them are business people.... LONG gone are the day when airlines were run by airline people.....Hell for the most part many execs at the top today havent even spent that many years in the business. Rocket Bob Crandall ( past pres at AA ) spent something like 30 years with AA. He KNEW the airline business... he was a tough SOB to work for but I think he GOT IT...that labor drove the business.

The airline business is just to dynamic of a operation for people without a STRONG working knowledge of the business to have any chance of sucess long term....that is the real problem with aviation today.