Okay, give me a chance to make what I'm thinking more clear. First off, the last quote was out of line and I'm sorry that I offended so many people. Second, this is in no way a Mesa bashing thing, these are just my observations and opinions. I don't work for a 121 carrier and probably never will. I don't see how that argument applies to this conversation. I look at it as a runway incursion between two airplanes.

I have never been to Allentown, PA. but I did look at thier taxi diagram and the TDZE of runway 6 is 8ft higher than the elevation of the crossing runways. The departure end elevation is 12ft lower than the TDZE. Taxiway B is just beyond the crossing runways. Which probably doesn't mean much, I just thought I'd point that out. I know first hand how hard it is to see at night, which means nothing more than, we all need to be extra alert.

My thought was that everyone was "patty caking" these guys without really wondering what caused the problem. I'm not saying that it was only thier fault. Personally, I think it was the towers more than the crews. I'll even go against what I wrote previously by admitting they did a great job getting themselves out of a really bad spot. But I think the situation was avoidable. And I'll stand by that.

P.S. I never intended to sound immune, mean, not caring, not loving, or disrespectful