No one knows, but DHL is the key. If its a nogo, then its easy to get rid of the bottom FE's that were just put there. Now that about 50 and take the bottom Md and 74 guys and thats another 50 to 100 depending how many you want out, and not much training will need to be done. Last week man power planning said we were very fat when I called and asked. When I ask for a number they clammed up. I've heard 300 when the MD moves back to domestic, and its complete, barring DHL. so lets assume OT is 100 guys and there is a ban and you can get rid of 200 over a year and as the year goes on make changes as need. I think there will be one and the union is totaly unprepared since they have never gone down this road before. yes theirs been threats, but we never had what is happening now in the world economy. If you are in the bottom 150, I would be preparing for a spring vacation and save your money and start putting together a plan that you can execute quickly. Our problem is most companies overseas require you to resign your senoirty number and no way would I do that. The rest of the companies are contract companies and UPS does not have a by pass clause that allows you to bypass recall to finish your contract, and they will know that, and could hurt your chances of being hired. The union will not come out and say we are fat or thin, because they know we are fat and dont want to create panic and anger, since they just pushed to get the over 60 crowd back in the up front seats to a tune of about 100 guys. They will wait till it happens and blame UPS and tell those folks they never saw it coming. Be prepared and count on no one but yourself to survive. DHL is the key, watch is close, and read Bob Millers email he sent out two weeks ago.