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Old 10-06-2008 | 07:00 PM
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ERJFO
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Originally Posted by tpersuit
Actually I think it would be 3.75, because that would always equal the maximum days you can possible work. Minimum days off is 11 days, which equals 19 days of work. Since our minimum monthly guarantee is 75 hours, 75/19 =3.9 hrs/day. Anymore days off in the line would raise the minimum day pay. Everything is mostly built around that 3.75 number. The 2 hours a day pay you refer to is part of the trip, which when mixed in with every other day for the month has to get raised to 75 hours minimum anyways. Its there to prevent getting paid more than the 15 hour 4-day max that they have to give you if your 4-day has less than 15 hours of credit.

Incorrect again. The company has a match plan and a contribution plan. This is huge mistake pilots don't realize. The match is 4%-6%, depending on longevity, at 100% of what 4-6% you put in. Then, the company also contributes an additional amount to your 401K that has no bearing on what you put in. It is a 2.5% contribution and goes up to 6% for people more senior. 20 year senority equals you putting in 6%, company matches 6% and then gives you another 6% = 18% total that goes into your 401K. It's called a A Plan and B Plan. Re-read that part of the contract.
I missed the part about the defined contribution (B plan), I thought you were saying that they were matching you to 6.5% - my fault, I didn't catch that you were adding them up. That being said we don't have an "A plan". An a plan is a defined benefit plan, a pension in other words.

As far as the duty period minimum goes it's not 3.75 for day. We're talking about minimum pay per day and you can have less than 3.75, I know in the last 4 years I've had a lot of days paid less than that, I"ll show you my pay register. I get what you're saying about getting to min guarantee but thats not a duty rig or even a DPM, thats just how they come up with the number. It also doesn't work if you trade trips to a lower value, you aren't protected to 3.75/day. If you just divide minimum guarantee by the amount of days one works if they have minimum days off you're going to come up with that for pretty much every airline. You're pretty much just saying our guarantee is 75:00 and we had a minimum of 11 days off which is true - but it's not a DPM or a trip-rig or a duty rig.

If I have a 4 day with 1 leg on the first day worth 1:30 and then every other day is worth 6:00 I'm only going to get 20:00 for the trip. If we had a minimum 3.75 per/duty period rule in there I would get 21:45 - but we don't. Or lets say you fly a 2 day (that you did not pick up on days off) with day 1 worth 2:00 and day 2 worth 7:30. You're going to get 9:30, if we had that 3.75 DPM you'd be getting 11:15, and that once again does not happen.

In any event, it's not a duty rig, it's a DPM. A rig would be a ratio saying if you're on duty for X hours you get Y pay. We don't have that, we just have minimums that are too low.

Good catch on the B-plan though.

Last edited by ERJFO; 10-07-2008 at 07:25 AM.
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