Well said. I know I am going to take a lot of flack for this..

No matter where you are, what regional you are at, if management will use concessions or bust, everytime, and pilots bend every time, management will always win, and T&Cs will just keep declining, until it isnt even legal anymore since we have to get paid something as CPLs.

Everytime its either take concessions or the company won't make it, and everytime people always comment on how you would whistle a different tune if it was you under the ax. Well guess what? NOTHING will EVER change until pilots EVERYWHERE say NO.

Look at Alitalia! Their airline was 1 day away from seizing operations because their crews would not take a cut, and guess what? They are still flying, and have even got some company to invest in them, basically bailing them out of the cutter. Moral of the story? Management wanted concessions, and to reduce their T&Cs, other wise the company will go bust, and they gave them a big fat NO. Everyone was blaming the pilots and flight attendants for putting the company under, and they were already making less then other Euro flag carriers. Guess what happened? Nothing, the airline is still functioning, and the flight/cabin crews are victorious and still doing the job for what they have been before. If they said yes, the only difference would be is that they would have been getting paid less.

I wish we had a group like the Alitalia group here in the U.S.

It takes balls to get things like this done, no matter what industry, and what company. Nothing XJT specific about this, just in general.

Good luck to all the guys out there regardless of how you vote.

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Latest example of management apparently screwing their pilots.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ma...hs-go-out.html