I've been saying the same thing for the last two months and talking to the union and they basically said to shut up. They have not cared. I think you are right and they realize the DHL is not going to save the bottom 100 to 200 guys. I had an ACP say he has seen a manpower planning slide that puts us 300 fat with the 5 to 7% drawdown that is going to be announced in early Jan along with the movement of the MD to more Domestic flying. Most people still think it can't happen