Originally Posted by Beechlover

I disagree. It's been proven time and time and time again.., that management in MANY airlines throught the history of comercial aviation does what it wants..., regardless of contract..., regardless of ethics..., most definately regardless of it's pilots opinion, wishes, or desires.., ie we have ZERO..., I'll say it again.., ZERO input as to what contracts, deals, or agreements our respective airline makes. Trust me when I say we, the RAH pilot group are no happier about the midwest deal thatn the midwest pilots. Did that change anything? nope, do you think if our vote actually counted in this, it would've happened at all? It sure didn't save me from getting furoughd so I'll squash that argument right now.

In fact I challenge anybody.., please come up with any example of how pilots at an airline participated in the management's decision making process with regard to contractual decisions. Not talking about greavances or injunctions or work actions.., I'm talking about actual vote counting decisions that it's pilots took part in while employed in a part 121 airline where a decision to enter into a contract involving future aircarrier operations. Short scope and CBA, I'd be willingto bet that that mechanism doesn't exist. We fly from point a to b and that folks is about ALL I can see we have control over. I could be way off base here with my "pilot's" soda straw perspective of the universe but I think I'm pretty close. Just something to consider when we vent misguided gripes at each other.

Now back to the Alaska and RAH discussion ; )