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Old 11-01-2008 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by WAFP
I'm to young in the AF to match anyone's resume who has been around since the 90's. I watched 9/11 happen when I was in college. I knew I was joining the military during a time of war. I knew what I was getting in to. I can really only say that in my short stint in the C-5 I am averaging around 220+ days a year gone, and with the current trend of no one leaving the community and the war still raging with fewer pilots to do the mission, I don't see that ending anytime soon.
Notice that I was not saying you were not working hard, I was responding to your comment about us who YOU said were sitting pretty - as if we were born into that privelege. Remember, we joined during Desert Storm 1 and were dealing with multiple contingencies worldwide, so we knew that we would be busy also. Many of us were still on AD during 9/11 and transitioned to the current ops tempo. I realize you joined knowing about the Iraq war, but that does not give you special privileges. You join when you reach the appropriate age, what is happening at the time is beyond your control.

Originally Posted by WAFP
I didn't join so that I could spend more time with my family, in fact it almost cost me my wife when I decided to make the military my life. I've had a string of crappy commanders that have made many crappy decisions. Because of that I started to question decisions of those appointed to a "leadership" position MANY years ago.
Don't confuse crappy commanders with mission accomplishment. I have never been a fan of our peacetime leadership - and, although we are at war, it seems we are still dealing with peacetime leadership. For example, our current leadership is considering putting non-rated and inexperienced rated personnel in a MWS that is flying combat missions every day. They are putting more effort into designing a new uniform and figuring out when we should wear blues vs. who should we man the UAS with and how can we keep the flow of the most qualified pilots going to the UAS.

Originally Posted by WAFP
I have flow empty across the pond and had the TACC O-6 tell me to shut up and color, only to watch a jet fly back to Europe (ONE day later) to p/u cargo that I could have done .....
If you are recognizing these things, you are showing that operational maturity that I talked about. A brand new Lt in the right seat would not consider those things, his thinking would not extend far outside the aircraft cockpit and his immediate tasks at hand. "Cool, a trip to Germany"

Originally Posted by WAFP
If we take pilots out of the MAF community, shortly after making AC or even IP, then we only damage our core. A buddy of mine is in a KC-10 SQ where the chief of DOV is a KC-10 baby with only 5 years experience. That is a direct result of the shoddy assignments that the SQ recieved (UAV, AETC, Capts going to staff, etc) and has hurt them greatly. I can see this being an even larger problem in the CAF community, where I also have a friend who has done 2 Ops tours in a row, and is considered lucky not to be TAMI 21'd or sent packin to an ALO position.
You mentioned AETC, staff, etc. Do you think those assignments take priority over sending guys to an asset that is providing real-time combat support to our warfighters on the ground? How about we send the new and non-rated guys to those jobs? AFPC has been robbing brand-new AC's and IP's from squadrons (especially fighter squadrons) since the '90's and the pace of that has not changed. As far as your CAF friend is concerned, he is one of the few who got ops-ops. By the way, TAMI-21 was not a program to fill UAS slots per se, it was a program to take care of the over-manning (yes, it was over-manning) in the CAF and redistribute those pilots to where they were short. The CAF had been over-manned since the mid-90's, and the situation was not correcting itself with more and more fighters going away to pay for the F-22.

Originally Posted by WAFP
UAVs will always have the luxury of being a 0/0 asset. They may be "flying" a CAF asset, but they are sitting at a place where they are in no immediate danger of taking that "golden bb" or constantly living in fear of that SA-18 poppin up out of nowhere. They don't opperate by themselves, but in teams, in that trailer.
This is your biggest mis-statement and I am going to call you on this one. UAS pilots DO NOT operate at 0/0. I don't care what you think, but what you do in the aircraft is the same as what you do in the sim, it depends on what the asset is doing - if you were flying the C-5 remotely, what would you do differently on your last sortie than what you did in real-life? The fact that your butt was in that cockpit makes no difference - you do what you do to get the JET on the ground. 0/1 (it is 0 knots / 1 g - not 0/0) refers to the speed at which your thought process is ocurring and usually refers to the fact that you have the luxury of stopping and re-evaluating your thought process or actions without fear of catastrophy. UAS pilots do not have that luxury. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, there is an actual airborne asset carrying several thousand pounds of ordnance, over enemy territory, operating at the same airspeeds as the A-10's out there, integrating with other airborne assets, coordinating with the troops or assets on the ground, coordinating with command authority, and potentially delivering ordnance against an enemy in close contact with friendly troops. There is no stopping to re-group. You see, it is you in the C-5 that has that luxury. At any point you can call a "timeout", you can take any approach around, and you can discuss things with your crew in holding. The USA can't. When operating over an objective, time andquickness of action are of essence. Besides, who is the sole UAS pilot going to discuss things with? He is making the calls on his own, no copilot and 3rd, 4th, etc pilots to call into the cockpit and take opinions. If the UAS pilot took a timeout, the delay could cost troops their lives or could cause enemy troops to live and fight another day (and cause even more Americans to die).

Originally Posted by WAFP
Every warfighter has to start somewhere. We are not all built to be one, weather it be SA, reflexes, instinct, knowledge level, or whatever. The one thing they ALL have in common is that they were trained to do their job. Every grunt, soilder, seaman, and airman were grown from what you see when you pass your closest college or high school. The UAS may be the "wave of the future" but we are far from it being the backbone of our combat units.
Don't know where you were going with this, but I will try. Every warfighter has to start somewhere, and that somewhere should not be in the role of hte sole decision-maker of an actual airborne asset providing actual support of troops on the ground. As far as the UAS thing, I don't think I have called them the wave of the future, but here is what I have said. They are, unfortunately, at this time the backbone of the aerial support that we are giving troops on the ground. The bulk of ISR missions, and the bulk of ordnance being delivered is coming from the UAS. You may think it right or wrong, but it is what it is. And as long as it is THE support we are giving the troops on the ground, we are obligated to give them the BEST support we can give them. Again, this is part of separating the mission from the poor leadership that you may see. We may disagree that our leadership has decided to switch the bulk of our ISR and CAS support to the UAS, but do you propose to have it be the troops on the ground that suffer from that? http://blog.wired.com/defense/files/...___Flt_Hrs.ppt The leadership has spoken, the UAS is it at the time being, now it is time for our Col's and lower ranking Gen's to make sure that we man the asset with the most qualified people we have. Despite what the leadership does, the minions work to accomplish the mission 100% - and THE MISSION is support of the troops on the ground - for all of us.

Originally Posted by WAFP
I am just a Captain. It's not WWII, it's the 21st century. The AF doesn't number near one million, but closer to 300k. We are all streched pretty thin and I understand that I am a voulenteer and work for a dictator, not in a democracy. I'll go where they tell me, fly what they tell me, and leave when my family and I make that decision (after I have paid my "dues" and my 10 year commitment). I have been made to do some pretty stupid things and watched my family suffer.
I mentioned WWII because you attempted to express your service at a higher level than mine - as if your service is more valuable than ours and your sufferings are greater than ours. As far as the family thing, that is what we all joined into. I delayed getting married for that very reason, others don't. But, just because someone joins with a family, they should not expect to be able to avoid the ops tempo that comes with being a young line pilot in an ops squadron. The family time comes later with the staff job, the AETC tour, or even the UAS tour (although they are working a pretty high ops tempo themselves - just not deploying so often).

Originally Posted by WAFP
Whenever anyone asks "are you going to make the AF a career?" I always answer them "as long as it treats me and my family well." IF the AF keeps making these dumb decisions, I'm going to join the ranks of those "rats that have fleed the ship."
To each his own - I probably phrased it a little differently. My stay in decision was based on how much I could contribute to a mission that I saw as worth the effort while not causing my family to sacrifice too much. I didn't rely on the USAF to treat my family any way, that is not their concern - that was my job. To be more exact, I knew that if I did rely on the USAF to treat my family in any way, I would be disappointed. I didn't trust the leadership to do much - that is why my focus was on what I could do to contribute to the mission. And, right now, the mission is supporting the troops on the ground. And, right now, we are supporting the troops on the ground with the UAS.
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