Gary Kelly is a bean counter, many of our pilots and our own union seem to forget that. The only thing Kelly is interested in is the bottom line....... Nothing else matters in the end. And in business and when you're the CEO that's what has to matter. SWAPA, just like all the other unions sold their pilots especially their FO's down the river with using Association money to lobby for the age 60 change. And then to make matters worse SWAPA dropped the ball on the TA section of the code share of the new Section 6 it's trying to negotiate. So now you have two carries one to the North and one to the South who are going to double their growth all awhile Southwest is going to cancel aircraft orders, retire older aircraft and have no growth in 2009 and probably none in 2010. What's left is stagnation. A 7 year FO is topped out basically on income without a upgrade and upgrades at SWA after this codeshare and no growth for 2009 will be running around 9-10 years and could go as high as 13 years.