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Originally Posted by
newKnow
Wiggy,
First of all, it is the DL pilots who are magnanimous, not the payrates. In spite of the alarmist and childish behavior of the NW MEC after LOA 19, the DL pilots did exactly as they said they would, -use the majority of the negotiating capital to bring their "brethren" up to parity. (we all know they could have done differently)....
Secondly,
I, personally, never claimed that
I, personally, did anything to get those "magnanimous" payrates. To continue down that line of reasoning leads to the idea that none of us can take "credit" or "responsibility" for anything, individually or as separate groups. (from which reasoning I conclude, infallibly, -you are a democrat!
)....
...I disagree. We are not engaged in "pattern bargaining", we are engaged in a "merger". You received a payraise exclusively, and altogether soley, because DL's payrates were superior to your own.....
A little too general for my taste, New. It has something to do with skill...management at managing, and management and pilots at negotiating, and less to do with the timing of "manna from Heaven"
Wiggy,
The question still stands. What exactly did you do to get the payrates that are -in your opinion- so magnanimously being given to NWA pilots by Delta pilots. More specifically, how long have you been at Delta?
I mean to say (once again), if you've only been there are year or so, it's kind of ridiculous for you to want to claim credit and accept gratitude for something that you really had nothing to do with. The principle has nothing to do with politics or political affiliation and everything to do with respect.
For instance, in professional sports, you don't see a new player come to a championship team from the previous season, go out there and say "we" won the Super Bowl, or the World Series, or the Stanley Cup. Why? Because they have to earn the right by at least playing a one game for the team before running their mouths.
In the corporate world, you can't take credit for the companies success for the year prior if you just go there last week. You have to at least contribute something to the company and collect a pay check before being able to honestly take credit for the actions of your predecessors.
So yes, I started off my post by insinuating that unless you have been at Delta for a while, you should temper your desire to take credit for past accomplishments and squash your attempts to solicit gratitude from those who you thought benefited from them.
But then I expanded my point to include the necessity for ALL pilots and their pilot groups to be grateful to those who preceded them. I have great respect for those who came before me. I fully realize that if it were not for their actions and sacrifices that this profession would not be where it is today.
You will notice that in my post I only included events that occured within the past 10-15 years. The reasons for this are twofold; 1.) I can't take credit for any actions that NWA pilots did before I got there, and 2.) I don't know for sure who can take credit or blame for anyones gains or losses prior to then. There is nothing wrong with being a little humble and cautious when you communicate.
But, if you think that you know for certian that your pilot groups skill and knowledge is superior to others, enough to warrant gratitude from other pilot groups, maybe you need to check your ego.
If you think that when one pilot group goes in to negotiate a new agreement with their company they do it on an island with no support from the other pilot groups, maybe you are ignorant.
Finially, if you think this merger was just hatched out of thin air at the beginning of 2008 and not sometime before both companies entered bankrupcy when both pilot groups pay rates were more similar (I think NWA's was higher), maybe you are naive.
The one thing I have learned in this buisiness is that there are no absolutes. Nothing acts in a vaccum. When things go right or wrong, credit and blame can be painted with a wide brush. A true professional and leader will spread the credit and take the blame, not solicit a gratitude from others.
So, when I get a payraise I can give credit to Delta, NWA, United, American, UPS, Southwest, Fed Ex, ect. But, I also give credit to those who flew for Eastern. Should our pilots who flew for Eastern, thank you? Should our pilots who went on strike every year in the 70's thank you? It's NOT about the greatness of one pilot group. If you think so, then your bubble is about to burst.
If there is anything that you personally deserve gratitude for is it for your illustration of how not to behave and think when two pilot groups are in the process of merging. Thanks. (And, I really mean it.)
New K Now