[/indent]Wiggy,
The question still stands. What exactly did you do to get the payrates that are -in your opinion- so magnanimously being given to NWA pilots by Delta pilots. More specifically, how long have you been at Delta?
I mean to say (once again), if you've only been there are year or so, it's kind of ridiculous for you to want to claim credit and accept gratitude for something that you really had nothing to do with. The principle has nothing to do with politics or political affiliation and everything to do with respect.
For instance, in professional sports, you don't see a new player come to a championship team from the previous season, go out there and say "we" won the Super Bowl, or the World Series, or the Stanley Cup. Why? Because they have to earn the right by at least playing a one game for the team before running their mouths.
In the corporate world, you can't take credit for the companies success for the year prior if you just go there last week. You have to at least contribute something to the company and collect a pay check before being able to honestly take credit for the actions of your predecessors.
So yes, I started off my post by insinuating that unless you have been at Delta for a while, you should temper your desire to take credit for past accomplishments and squash your attempts to solicit gratitude from those who you thought benefited from them.
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Why the obsession with my personal demographics? Of what possible relevance could it be? Concepts and ideas are relevant to this discussion, not your personal view of whether individual "seniority" is sufficient to exercise the right of assertion in open forums. Your indefatigable attempts at divining my personal "qualifications" and motivations to "take credit" are way off base. It is a universally recognized fact that the only group technically qualified to divine motivations ie. "mind-read" is wives....Surely that doesn't describe your demographic. Regretfully, in order to dispell any fantasy you might entertain that your above pompous, presumptuous, and downright boorish lecture was not in vain, I will reveal the information you so assiduously desire. Ready? I have 23 years at Delta. Am I "qualified" to have an opinion?
But then I expanded my point to include the necessity for ALL pilots and their pilot groups to be grateful to those who preceded them. I have great respect for those who came before me. I fully realize that if it were not for their actions and sacrifices that this profession would not be where it is today.
I don't disagree with the gist of what you're saying, but taken in context, your lecturing tone makes it sound like.....platitudinous drivel, -self-serving, self-righteous slop, real corn-pone there, New. I can almost hear the tiny violins in the background echoing the strains of "The Union Lable"
There is nothing wrong with being a little humble and cautious when you communicate
Nothing wrong at all with that, and coincidently, you have much to be humble and cautious about! Also, remember to "practice what you lecture". I know it was with great humility and caution that you proceeded to lecture me above about "taking credit" in the airline industry.
And now my favorite, an itemized list of my many shortcomings,--a la Jeff Foxworthy. How original. Here, I'll highlight and number them for you......
But, if you think that you know for certian that your pilot groups skill and knowledge is superior to others, enough to warrant gratitude from other pilot groups, maybe (1)you need to check your ego
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If you think that when one pilot group goes in to negotiate a new agreement with their company they do it on an island with no support from the other pilot groups, maybe (2)you are ignorant
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Finially, if you think this merger was just hatched out of thin air at the beginning of 2008 and not sometime before both companies entered bankrupcy when both pilot groups pay rates were more similar (I think NWA's was higher), maybe (3)you are naive
The one thing I have learned in this buisiness is that there are no absolutes. Nothing acts in a vaccum. When things go right or wrong, credit and blame can be painted with a wide brush. A true professional and leader will spread the credit and take the blame, not solicit a gratitude from others.
You are mistaken in your "subtly indirect" implication I have solicited gratitude. I have only facetiously, and mockingly reacted to your lack of knowledge of the "cause" of your recent payraise.
Should our pilots who went on strike every year in the 70's thank you?
No, but a serious refresher course in "labor relations and negotiations" might be in order...(NW struck
every year in the 70's?)
It's NOT about the greatness of one pilot group. If you think so, then (maybe) (4) your bubble is about to burst.
(you forgot the "maybe")
If there is anything that you personally deserve gratitude for is it for your illustration of how not to behave and think when two pilot groups are in the process of merging.?
Good question. I don't think so, New. First of all, no one on this forum has actually, technically, ever observed my behavior and secondly, no one's powers of clairvoyance extend to the inner thought processes of my brain. If there is anything I might personally deserve gratitude for, it would be how to construct pretentious, sarcastic and annoying (but factual, in my opinion) -posts on this forum.
New K Now
