Carl you are correct I did mix metaphors so to speak. Your DOH proposal fence expires at the time of the Delta retirements and your dynamic lists proposes leapfrogging. Both proposals fail to meet ALPA merger policy as presently stated and fail to meet the fair and equitable standard. We have argued those points ad nauseum. The point is if positive attrition due to retirements is an equity (which by the way, it has never been recognized as one in the past) then negative attrition due to aircraft retirements should be a negative equity factored into the equation. You can't take ownership of one and not the other. Any list that uses the equity of attrition to place one subset of the group ahead of another must also account for the negative attrition equity also.