Let me put it to you this way.....4 years at ASA, there are still just under 300 FO's senior to me here. Now, take into account that we are to soon lose 13 700's to Skywest, AND THEN retire 13 ATR's next year. With no replacements on the horizon, that is 130 Captains maybe moving back to FO. At our current rate of attrition puts upgrade at ASA to about 8 years.