Originally Posted by
kycycles
it would be a poor decision on colgans part to let the unions in. Actually, that's not colgan's decision to make.
i am in this conversation because i am looking out for my fellow pilot, as i am still associated with many people that work there. Appreciate the concern, but we don't need you to look out for us... really.
again...the unions priority is higher pay.... labor costs are the number one cost of doing business. It is the cost of doing business. If a company can't even manage the basic cost of doing business, maybe they should hire some decent mgmt actually worth their six figures?
Originally Posted by
kycycles
it is well known that colgan was hanging on by the skin of there teeth when the gas prices went through the roof, but yet no one was let go.
Obviously because they love us and care about us. 
(and definitely not because it made financial sense)
i will say it again. in these times...any job is better than no job
And we should all bend over any time Colgan requires us, because any job is better than no job.
also, i have all the time in the world to post. i quit my job...remember
But you said you are still a pilot... shouldn't you be worrying about your own airline or something?
Originally Posted by
kycycles
i have heard about that, but i do not know the particulars. and, without making assumptions, i think it would be best to reserve judgment until you know the facts. Facts: 1. Roll trim was installed incorrectly. 2. FOs are responsible neither for the testing of the roll trim nor to oversee it. 3. Captains AND FOs got suspended. Now, what else do you need to know?
this kind of thing is obviously not a common occurence, and there is always horror stories to be told. these are more often scare tactics then truth. You are right, it doesn't happen frequently. HOWEVER, it could've happened to ANYONE, and that is the scary part. You, as an FO, could've been swapped into that said plane for one leg and the next thing you know you are suspended for the roll trim test. You just gained a suspension on your record through absolutely no fault on your part. How's that for fairness? Horror stories... yes, there are many to be told at Colgan. But don't believe any of it of course, because we are all kindergarteners who make stuff up and blow them totally out of proportion.
in my time with colgan, i have never known, or been a part of any type of infraction. i have called in sick without threat of termination. WOW, I can't believe Colgan extended you such a courtesy as to not threaten you with termination when you called in sick. LOL. Did you know that you are SUPPOSED to be able to stay home if you're sick, without the threat of termination? I believe that's a law here in the USA.i have even turned down extensions without the threat of termination or a missed trip, even though it is clearly stated that they can do that. That was some iron balls, huh. Do you recommend that I do the same next time they extend me? If you wouldn't recommend that I echo your actions, why even bring up this example to show the benevolence of Colgan?the common thought by some is you will be fired and it was simply not true in my case. I'm glad you feel that you weren't subjected to any of that. Many others WERE though, does that mean they are lying and exaggerating? Because we WANT to believe that we work for a company that treats us like ****, right?
So. At first it sounded like you left Colgan because you didn't like it:
Originally Posted by
kycycles
if you dont like what colgan is doing to you than quit. thats what i did.
But your subsequent posts show that you had all in all a pretty positive experience. So why did you leave? Or did you not leave at all? Because it sure seems like you are still at Colgan, and actually you sound a lot like this captain I know. Or did you even ever work at Colgan as a pilot? Either way, you're not fooling anyone.
If your opinion is such that unions are bad, fine, that is your opinion. Honestly though, you need to rethink your strategies. If you want to convince someone of your opinion, don't threaten or give ultimatums. (see "if you dont like your job then leave!!!!!!") You turn more people against you than not this way.
If you want to sound intelligent, attack the argument, not the person. (see "in my experience... the people that wanted unions the most were the most incompetent.") I know what you're doing, and it's very transparent - trying to weaken someone's argument by attacking them personally... but you know what, any tool can say, "Abortions are bad because the people that want abortions are dumb." or "Abortions are good because the people who opppose them are dumb." Are you a tool? I didn't think so, so let's stick to intelligent arguments.
And finally...
Originally Posted by
kycycles
despite my problems with colgan, i would not ever vote for a union.
Does it matter if you'd ever vote or not vote? Bottom line is you aren't an eligible voter in this election, you can't vote, and you won't be affected by the outcome. Not like you're still at Colgan or anything.
