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Old 12-17-2008 | 04:36 AM
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The first thing to be aware of is that there are things that fit into very specific FAA definitions for logging and others where the choice of how to log is a bookkeeping issue. The second is that there is one reg - 61.51 that is the starting point for answering every question about the FAA's requirements for logging time.

Originally Posted by ladesaparecida
Hi all, please share your wisdom. I am a newly minted CFI/CFII, please help me with regards to logbook entries both student and my own.

1) Do I have to sign my own logbook for dual given activities?
No. First of all "dual given" is not a required FAA entry and the only official FAA form where it is even asked is if you some day apply to be a DPE. So, whether you log it at all and how you log it is up to you - with one catch being your next question.

2) For a SIM session in MY OWN logbook I can enter: "dual given" and "Simulator" - Do I note instrument approaches done or takeoffs & landings?
You don't log simulator because the simulator in the logbook is typically reserved for time when you fly the simulator, not when you are teaching someone else.

Dual given, you can enter mostly because it's not a required column and, as someone else said, the definition of training (received or given) includes both flight and simulator time. But here's the catch: Time in a simulator or FTD is =never= "flight time." So, while training you give in a sim is "training given" it is =not= "flight training given". So, you have a bookkeeping choice to make about whether you use the column or not. Most people I know use "dual" to mean training in flight, not on the ground in a trainer.

3) For a SIM session in the student's logbook, I only enter time in the "Simulator" and "Dual given" blocks right?
That's another bookeeping issue. But it's your student's choice, not yours.

The "dual" issue is the bookkeeping issue. Like I said earlier, many people reserve that column for flight training received and training in a sim is never "flight" training. Whether your student wants to include the sim training and subtract it out when filling out an 8710 (which separates flight from sim time) or keeps them separate to begin with, is up to your student. And your student, one she makes the decision, needs to understand what the decision is so she can avoid being screwed up by some instructor i the future who is convinced that his different bookkeeping choices are the "right" ones.

I will have many, many more questions before I'm done. Does anyone know of a breakdown of what gets written where? I can look at my own logbook to see the entries I should be writing in my student's books - but as for what an instructor puts in his and whether anyone signs it - its a mystery to me!
As someone else said, start with 61.51 - the Universal Rule of Logging Time. It sets out a series of boxes that tell you what you may log. Ad the check the definitions in FAR 1.1 and 61.1, especially those dealing with "flight" ad "training" and "pilot time."
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