I would call the UPS furlough talk as "noise", not whining.
And if we furlough, so be it. This is how the Airline industry works. I have no heart burn over it because I accept it. It has been this way for 75 years. And most of these "New Hires" are flying a widebody, when most where FE's for years.

I remember Jumpseating on PanAm 747 and the FO was an FE for 17 years and the FE was one for 12. I say Suck it up. If we do furlough, it would be very short term. 12 months max.

But to the orginal gripe, ABX and Astar have let VERY few go. So stop the whining of mass layoffs. Until it happens. Which it may never.