Originally Posted by
JohnnyCochran
Show me proof they were not. Why don't you ask the majority of midwest pilots that are still there where the company would be right now if it wasn't for this temporary realignment? I don't see them lighting fires on this message board...maybe there is a reason for this
What? Proof is in the fact they were operating outside of Bankruptsy protection. First step would have been chapter 11. Again, where's your proof that they were going to go under, or that they couldn't get financing elsewhere? You're strategy here is to answe a question with a question in absence of knowledge. You just lost any credibility you had.
Originally Posted by
JohnnyCochran
Then create valid protections in your contract by making sure that all the language is their for all contingents preventing destruction of work rules or the airline itself. obviously these contracts fail to hold their value due the unions lawyers inability to create a valid protection due to miswordings or ommisions
So, do you blame the union for J.O. and freedom A, do you blame the union for Lorenzo at CAL, do blame the union for Hulas and gojets. Clearly once a precedent is set, the union will try to prevent the same from happening again by adding language to the contract, but it doesn't change the fact that management goes to the table in good faith, and then turns around and tries to strip the very same contract they negotiated.
Originally Posted by
JohnnyCochran
Wow, dude. Relax. RAH will have ups and downs just like your company. Why don't you mention skywest's probable future of slowly dismantling piece by piece ASA? Any corporation is going to have a up and down cycle resulting in growth, shrinking, job loss, job creation. What you just said is very naive and inappropriate.
Duuude, I'm pretty relaxed here, you seem to think that contract violations are ups and downs, and you're willing to accept them as such. Would you be willing to cross a picket line too? We're not talking about SKW here, we're talking about Bedford's tendency to buy his way into anything, while destroying 100's of lives in the process.
Originally Posted by
JohnnyCochran
Whose defending him? Who do you work for almighty one? Every regional is close to one in the same. micromanaged with employees being treated like illegitimate step children. Some have money, some don't. RAH does. Some have 50/70/80 seat jets, some have props. There is a constant battle of ups and downs.
I can think of three regionals where employees are treated above average based on their contract and their pilots make more flying smaller equipment than you guys...XJT, SKW, and AirWisky. You argue that everybody else is doing it so it's ok. Well two wrongs don't make a right. You are taking this way too personal, your CEO is a thief and liar, big deal! You have a relatively good pilot group, why do you care so much that the whole industry puts BB in the same category as Lorenzo?
Originally Posted by
JohnnyCochran
Rather than talking about a CEO's actions, why don't you talk about the pilots inability to have protection? If a ceo decides to violate rules, there should be something in the contract specifying every detail of what it will cost the company. We are adults and must protect ourselves, but obviously have not done so
You mean the way you guys were able to keep Bedford and his team from violating your contract over and over? See that right there is called defending your CEO....Have you consider the long term effects to your career if this actually triggers a wave of "codeshares" at places like CAL?
You are a pilot (or at least you claim to be), be one, support your fellow pilots, but don't defend the guy that violates your contract, and then goes on to pull a Lorenzo on another pilot group. And again, where are your facts, where's the link that shows how liquidation was eminent at Midwest?
Bottom line is that the Midwest management and Bedford weaken this industry even more with this deal, and it's still beyond me that you're going to bat for the man that could possibly be the reason you'll spend the rest of your career at a regional carrier.