[QUOTE=MD10PLT;547131]Mac I hope you're right because as a big union supporter I see the next year as a make or break moment for the union. As far as 1,600 guys advocating for a furlough I don't think that number is far off. I don't really think they are hoping for a furlough as much as they are willing to give up a junior guy to keep their pay. Call your union rep and ask him what kind of calls he's getting. And like I said, these guys are standing up at union meetings and saying the junior guys need to go, to be willing to say this openly speaks volumes. From my perspective, I have not flown with a Capt in the last year who did not advocate for a furlough. Their reasoning is; "that's just the way it is in this business".

BTW for you capt's out there, please stop saying this kind of stuff in the c
ockpit, it really doesn't help CRM.[/QUOT

You have obviously not flown with me in the past year. Your rhetoric about how we senior guys advocate a furlough is divisive and only serves to promote managements agenda. Please cut us some slack. I don't like the pay cut. I also don't want to see Rick or whatever his name is, out on the street.
Another poster said the union is in a war with management. In any war there will will be casualties. Are you willing to accept that yet? As for me, for now I'll take the pay cut, but... I won't freeze or sweat during preflight.