Viper, you are so correct about all the verbiage regarding RETIREMENTS and VEBA ...................... Union recommended this CBA to the Crew Force and it was voted in ; next time I hope that we all step back before we jump in ; Just because it is recommended does not mean it is good for all of us. I have a big problem with the way it was all presented and promised ; half-truths will not be forgotten or forgiven ...................................