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Old 02-01-2009 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
I'll give you the answer "O" gave us during the 727 LCA meeting last week. He prefaced it by saying that this would have been his first choice of options the help the manning. He said the people who would be targeted would not be the 60-65 guys/gals. They only have a few years left on property, so they wouldn't get it offered to them. The ones they would want to target are the 55-60 year olds. He said the problem is with the bean counters. Apparently the IRS funding rules for pension plans change once you start offering early retirements. You have to fund it at a higher rate for everyone from the most junior offered to the most senior, whether or not they take it. (I'm not sure if this is the exact rule, but the gist was that it was too expensive). So the accountants shot that down as too expensive.

Then he went into a little talk about how he was conducting his own "unofficial" poll, and he didn't think that the company would get too many takers due to senior guys taking a hit on their B-plan, lots of vacation, sick, etc. I think he was a little in the weeds on that part. I actually would like to see ALPA conduct a survey of the 55-60 year olds on the list and come right out and ask them if they were able to retire now without penalty, would they?

Someone mentioned Continental's early buy out, and "O" said the difference was that CAL didn't have an A-plan.

Carryover was brought up, and "O" said that it has been reduced to as much as possible. Someone in the audience asked about bidding quarterly to further reduce carryover. "O" said that was an interesting idea, and he doesn't know if anyone has looked at that. He said he would bring it up.

Don't shoot the messenger... I'm just a plumber...
Thanks Sluggo.

Just flew with another pilot (mil retired w/26 yr pension, about 10 yrs at FEDEX, about 57-58 yrs old) who's just staying on until 60 because he doesn't want to take a penalty for going early. Has managed his investments well (must not have been too heavy in the market) and is willing to go tomorrow, if the company will bump him up to age 60 on paper.

My point is there are guys out there willing to go early.

Maybe not a ton, but a handful and every handful counts.

I think the Union needs to get more clarity/information from the company regarding these supposed "funding problems" with offering any early retirement packages and make that info public.

Re: carryover reduction --- wouldn't changing the bid period from 4 weeks to 8 weeks reduce half the carryover without costing the company one penny in increased crew costs due to swapping out international crews mid-trip?

Let's keep getting creative.
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