Originally Posted by
fireman0174
In a way, ALPA did in fact negotiate on behalf of the retirees by agreeing to terminate the "A" plan and replace it. When the retiree lawyers spoke on behalf of their clients, more than once the judge stated to the effect "well, ALPA did this and ALPA did that", which hurt our cause according to those in the URPPBA group. The judge found an easy way to dismiss our positions that way.
So, in a way, the did negotiate for the retirees - downward.
fireman,
It's been said before, but I'll repeat. No one can negotiate away a pension. No one can agree to terminate a pension. ALPA can agree not to contest a termination; but that's a big difference than negotiating it away.
Please provide a single example of any union ever winning the fight to preserve a pension that management is set on letting terminate.
PG