Originally Posted by
slowplay
False. The last class was hired July 16, 2001. Subsequent classes were canceled due to the economy, not scope or the manning formula. You might recall that Delta sat down 56 L1011 TriStars and over 100 727's in very short order. 9/11 didn't help.
I will give part of that to you, but the last two classes were canceled due to the fact that the contract just signed required 300 less pilots. There is no spin to that. Realize that for every 732 and 727 we parked over those years DAL was buying 50 seat jets to fly the lion's share of those routes, as they are doing today.
This is where you come into the spin zone. Please review for the group the timeline of each of these decisions, realizing they were all before you were on the property. For refresher, LOA 46 was 11/11/04, and a bankruptcy avoidance attempt. LOA 51 was 6/1/06 and was a bankruptcy generated agreement under the next to last day of the 1113 process. You might want to review when 70, then 76 seaters were allowed as well. Btw, for a guy who wants to staple CPZ, how were you going to complete the merger with NWA while limiting the scope of their existing contract, order book and fleet?
That merger is what increased your job security and gave you personally increased furlough protection.
We both know that furlough protection is paper thin. I know the time line, and for Pete's sake I was giving people the short course. The point is that ASA, OH, SW, and AMR out of LAX were DCI. The next six years proved a total erosion for scope. I know the reason behind it, but it still does not change where we are, and where we need to go.
Not exactly. The post merger DCI has more pilots than the premerger DAL group, but not the post merger DAL group. Mainline has 750 aircraft and DCI from all operators has about 700 in Delta service. While they make up the departure percentages that you point out, they do so while flying less than 20% of the ASM's.
ASM's do not mean pilot jobs, departures do. It takes five RJ's and 50 pilots to do the job of one 767.
I understand that, but I was talking about DCI pre-merger and you know that. I was getting us to where we were prior to the merger. It is great that we have 2000 pilots more than we did on 9-11, but it took us acquiring the fifth largest airline to get there. That is sad.
Again, not exactly. Point to a full service network airline pilot group that "held the line" on narrowbody scope and show me their mainline growth. It is very presumptous to assume that you would be looking at upgrade vice furlough as in AMR's case, and you acknowledge that in your route viability comment in your next paragraph.
Rereading your over 2000 posts show that you do have passion, but you reserve your acidic commentary only for your co-workers that make up our pilot union. I guess I don't find that surprising, but that is what I find offensive. If you were an equal opportunity wall painter, then I'd respond differently.
I take issue with the last part. I do not like the last move of the 76 seat scope settlement. I do not care how it is spun, it allowed more 76 seat jets than Section 1 of the JPWA initially allowed. Plain and simple. I also and not one that is advocating a new union. I feel that by getting involved and not just voting "yes" for every thing that comes my way, I can effect change. I think that there are many positive points to ALPA, and I am a defender of the process, warts and all. I as well as many others will use the process to effect change.
And I do feel the same way regarding improving the quality of the career. The last word is yours, as I fly early tomorrow.
I am glad you do. I know there are issues with taking 36 RJ's from DCI and putting them on mainline. It would allow over 100 more 76 seat jets. That clause will need to be changed to. Another effective for is to keep CPZ as a separate certificate and just have DAL seniority listed pilots fly em.
I applaud the MEC for getting the merger done. They did something that no other union could do. That does not give them a pass on future issues. The scope issue is one that will continue to bite us as long as we do not address it, and not use it as a bargaining chip. Lowering the scope limit to 70 seats is a start. CPZ on the list is the first start to that process. It also solves the representational issue that the MEC is now dealing with.