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Old 02-28-2009 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by muushin
Woaah,

Your panties are all in a bunch!!.
really now! watch your frigin tone and read what I said and not into it like you have.


Listen UP!!

It seems that your holier than thou expertise, is a little off base

You don't have to insult and belittle people. My piloting abilities do not warrant your demeaning attitude Id put you in your place, but .... then the mods will penalize me.




It is in the courts where this will be decided, not in the air.
it really has nothing to do with your vast experience and knowledge. or what really happened.

THE COURTS WILL RULE BASED ON THE FOLLOWING:

1.)Evidence, (FDR indicated the autopilot was on for most of the flight).

2.)Procedures (or, in this case, deviation from ) as stated in the Op Specs regarding autopilot its usage in KNOWN ICING CONDITIONS!! (Pireps were numerous regarding icing that night).

3.) The crew is not around to justify their actions, which makes it easier for the lawyers to blame them.
Not to mention the fact that there are and were KNOWN FREQUENT issues,with, warning lights going on ...which can be legally interpreted negatively, with regard to the
performance and operation of that deicing system, on that aircraft.


4.) So let me say, AGAIN, that at the end of the day, the autopilot usage with regard to flight into KNOWN ICING
CONDITIONS is what the plaintiffs will use to devour whomever comes within range of their legal pac man like chompping jaws.

I am in agreement with you that what might of caused the accident could very well be something not specifically related to Autopilot usage, or regarding the Op specs.


But lawyers will use this and anything else, for their advantage, when it comes to proving culpability.

they also feed on whomever has the least money to fight them back.... so lets see......

Hmm,..... Bombardier seems to have a pocket full of cash,



Pinnacle has more than Colgan....


that leaves Colgan at the bottom of the cash totem pole!! Tag, you're it!!

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You are clearly ignorant of airline operating procedures, the operation of the Q400 in particular, and the legal system.

1. Procedures are not "stated in the Ops Specs" and the relevant procedures for the operation of the DHC-8 Q400 would, in this case, be the Colgan General Operations Manual and the Colgan Bombardier DHC-8 Q400 Flight Manual (or whatever Colgan's title is for the aircraft operating manual).

2. You state that "there are and were KNOWN FREQUENT issues,with, warning lights going on ...which can be legally interpreted negatively..." I'm not really sure what this means, but the point is, you don't either. There have been no reports that I am aware of that there were "warning lights [sic] going on..." aboard the CO3407 aircraft, but in any event, the annunciator lights and/or CAS (Crew Alerting System) messages on the Q400 are not designed to "interpreted" legally, negatively, or otherwise. The aircraft's warning and caution lights (if indeed that's what you were referring to) are designed to present a clear and unambiguous statement of condition of the particular component or system. I could go on about the design philosophy and functionality of these systems, but I won't bother--you obviously don't fly the airplane and wouldn't be likely to understand how the systems work.

3. It is quite unlikely that the "plaintiffs" will assert any claim or complaint predicated upon the use of the autopilot unless it ensues that the autopilot use played some causative role in the accident. At this point, there is no indication that the autopilot use played any role other than possibly enabling the decay of airspeed to a critical point where the stickshaker was activated. Again, there is no prohibition against "flight into known icing" using the autopilot. In fact the aircraft is certificated for flight into known icing, based upon an assumption that the autopilot will be used the majority of the time while in known icing.

You might try acquiring some information and some facts about the subject you're writing about, before holding forth about commercial aircraft and pilot procedures--not to mention the law and the legal system--on a professional pilot's forum.
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