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Old 03-08-2009, 04:32 PM
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Mason32
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
AE ALPA can be the carrier to operate in the 70-100 seat range that AMR is trying to break into.
Are you F'n nuts? Why on earth would any pilot, Mainline or regional, want to see larger aircraft going to the regional payscales and work rules?
Eagle has 70 seaters already... anything else should go to a mainline payscale. Unless you want to continue to see the few legacy carriers get even smaller than they are, while you slave away at your regional in hopes of going to the "majors" someday... keep that cycle you're talking about going, and there won't be any decent jobs left.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
Nobody wants to see the flying leave the AMR family, so IF it was absolutely necessary for APA to give up some room on scope they could include in the clause "all flying will be performed by wholly owned AMR carriers" or something of the sorts.
You must be very new at Eagle... you are offering to recreate the exact scenario that got you guys a 16 year no strike contract back in what 97?
They'll just buy, or start another, to whipsaw you with. Granted the language AMR is proposing for regional feed is bogus to the max power.
There will be no change to that language, since APA is not giving AMR anything more than they already have, period. Nothing. If that puts Eagle in a tough position for a while, then so be it... long term it's about keeping planes and jobs on the mainline side.

Originally Posted by Flyby1206 View Post
AE ALPA can be this carrier to perform flying at competitive market rates. AE ALPA can offer employment to those on furlough on the APA list to fly the 100 seaters and in turn all future AA vacancies will be filled by AE pilots. (Yes, I know we had a letter 3 before and it was a disaster... we've learned our lessons and if done right it could be beneficial to all parties) There should be no need for AMR mgmt to outsource any future flying.
wow, where to start.... those 100 seaters can just as easily be APA jobs, flown at competative rates.... APA does have pay scales from the F100's (you do know that AA had smaller planes than MD's right?)... So, APA can put the furlough folks into a 100 seater on APA pay scale and work rules.... without making them suffer at Eagle.
I'm sure APA would be happy to negotiate some form of flowthrough/flowback.... since it is obvious that AMR is in the downsize mode, whom do you think this would benefit?
Outsource flying? You do know that YOU are an outsource provider / subcontractor for AA right? The fact that the profits remain at the parent corporation have little to do with the fact that AE is a subcontractor flying what used to be mainline routes for less money, and lousy work rules.

AE is a ride to/from work, that's about it.
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