ironspud's sig line 604 804 is ode to the standard ex TWA brief.

When i first started with AA I too, thought the Flight Instruments Switches Bugs response on the checklist was too long. I remember thinking, "Is this guy going to respond to every switch position?" Then OMG he's still yacking away.
When I flew for Horizon Air we used to be able to say "Standard Brief"
for TO brief, or appr brief.

ironspud how's that 747 CA job paying you $98 bucks an hour going?
You do realize there are guys that think YOU are paid plenty well, and in light of our deflationary economy can be considered overpaid. You have no case for a new contract.

I took PSY in college and studied Jung. There is a personality profile called "The Hero" archetype. This is a person whom when facing what appears to be insurmountable odds He throws his arms up in the air and resigns.

You apparently are ex-TWA and are furloughed. I may never understand the depths of what you've been thru. I can only emphathize.

As you are aware yes there are some things not going well at APA right now. But this group will get a contract. It will be worth coming back for.

Negotiations are negotiations. Both sides don't want to back down. Both sides sing the blues.

I would not do one thing different than APA's opener. Does or has AA managment considered the economy when they've awarded themselve over 265 Million in the last 3 years in bonuses. That's almost all the money they've made in the last three years. Hint, the economy has been bad the last three years.

If the time for you to return to AA happens I do not think you'll feel this way.

I am glad that APA's will not negotiate against itself. Only in the final hour of negotiations does the real negotiating start.

In this declining economy, using your opinion, why did the Alaska pilots appear to be close to getting some raise?
Aren't they and their managment operating in the same economy?
Sincerely,
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