Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer

Therein lies my point, as supported by TPROP: under duress, we tend to do what we have been repeatedly trained to do.

But if what you would really do is different than what you've been taught to do, there is a problem: either the training is bad, or we do not understand or apply correct training.

NWA:

The airlines don't do full-stall training as 1) they hope you never get that high of an AOA (notice I didn't say 'slow,' as speed has nothing to do with it); 2) the stresses of a full-stall and ham-fisted recovery would be rough on a transport-category airplane, and 3) some airplanes (T-tailed rear-engined jets) have non-recoverable deep-stall modes, spins, or compressor-stalls.

That's why it is often called "Approach to Stall" training...you get close to it, just can't touch it. But I think it has provided negative training. Pilots think "I'm in a stall, because the stall-shaker is activated," but they aren't. They only learn to recover from an AOA below the stall....and not above it. And they get the incorrect impression they can recover from a full-stall with power alone, unless they revert back to earlier flying experience.

I still believe, and hope, that stall training (and upset recoveries) will benefit from this trajedy.