Originally Posted by
SoCalGuy
EGL flyer....
Keeping this brief and short winded.....I can appreciate you ideas, thoughts, and opinion on how the wicked "triangle" should work....but again, it's just that, an unrealistic pipe dream.
When your willing to sell out the bottom 50% of your own seniority list, I can see that the APA guys/gals would have warm-fuzzies in having someone like you running amuck in their own ranks. I find it VERY hard for your theory to hold water in the fact that the majority of the bottom 50% (1000+ pilots) subscribe to your plan....even if there are a half a dozen proponets posted on APC.
If you want to know anything about "selling out" people in the past, just ask your senior buddies at EGL about the Man, Myth, and Legend - Homer Pugh's "16 years mistake". Having witnessed this first hand, learn from the past mistakes and don't be the next "Homer" in selling out your colleagues.
I still don't understand your logic as to why AMR would every agree to such a marriage in a common seniority list....why would they do that when the have a "Whip Saw" already in place??? After all it's all the Vouge in todays managment tactics. In management's eyes...."work good, work long time".
I will leave you with this, just remember "history often repeats itself". In the past, APA and EGL ALPA went through many meetings/talks/interpreted previously written agreements involving something called a "Flow Through v Flow Back"....how did that work for you?? 126ish flowed over to AA's mainline, and something along the lines of 700ish AA furloughs flowed back to occupy RJ CA seats. History has shown that there will always be some form of separation in the two pilot groups, AMR mgt has already proven that.
To keep in the concentration of the thread, Best luck to the APA Guys/Gals and your current negotiations....give management heck and get what the industry deserves on all levels.
It isn't me that is the problem as one pilot cannot "sell out" all the others. Many of these junior pilots have said they'd sacrifice their jobs for a shot at the big leagues. The Eagle ALPA MEC individual that you mention didn't do that all himself (an erronous assumption). He had plenty of help from national, management and other pilots and as someone who doesn't have to ask anyone about the past because he went thru it all and understands IT ALL (more then you), I know that you can be screwed over as easily as sold out. Perhaps you can talk to some of your buddies at the APA, on that very subject.........you know.........screwing people over.
B scale,TWA, junior pilot sacrifical lambs, the attempt to stiff many flowthru's out of their transfer rights, etc., the APA are THE source on "screwing over".............they wrote the book.
Your right though, the subject itself is also complete fodder in and of itself (some STILL cannot accept this) as AMR WILL NEVER accept any joining of AA and Eagle, but I thought I'd play devil's advocate in showing those young, hopeful and clueless how easy it could be to realize your dream, but be horrified at the results.
It was a "Leave it to Beaver" fantasy (a fact you apparently didn't pick up on) that will NEVER happen. The only people who think it will is the APA, a certain segment of AA pilots and a good deal of wide-eyed young Eagle F/O's so new to the industry, they never been thru ANY contractual amandement experience and are still trying to master the ability to make a decent night visual approach in a turbojet powered aircraft.
In time these new young pilots WILL master that maneauver and they WILL learn the realities of this industry, management tactics and current strengths and the psychotic, dysfunctional and symbiotic relationship of AMR, AA and Eagle.
The pie eyed fantasy of one big happy family here is just that...................fantasy.