Originally Posted by
Bond
So what we gather from your post is that you're ok with the current pay scale because UPS pays $35 to fly 747.
Only if you didn't take the time to understand it.
Actually, a new hire at UPS would probably not see the 74 for a few years, but that's besides the point.
Just jumpseated with them a few months ago where a newhire was an old CHQ guy off IOE from the 74.
Here's the problem with your post, you make it seem like if "we can do better that's great", if not "then that's great too" because we catch up to USair in 12 years (BTW, they are operating under concessions and haven't completed their contract)!!!
We haven't completed our contract either. US Air is where they all came from in the first place. I've never implicated "if not then that's great too". What I've said, feel free to read it yourself, is that considering the rapid growth of the company(meaning fleet additions and extremely fast paced growth of flight crew numbers) and the uphill battle our pilots have had with them that I'm proud of my guys for have stood firm where others have fallen.
Seriously, if the "modern day Lorenzo"
I'd like to see your comparisons. "Seriously". Frank L and JO might have a little more in common.
bring the 190's on property the least you guys can ask for is Jetblue plus 10...that's at a bare minimum!
That's a great number. Where'd you get it from? Can you explain to me why that number makes sense? Is it possible you're just stabbing at random figures? What calculations did you do to come up with this solid and sound figure? You should consider work rules into your equation too. But anyway wouldn't this mean your time would be spent more wisely lecturing/complaining to the JetBlue and US Air guys who actually have the aircraft and are flying them for wages you don't think seem fit vs. companies who don't even have them?
<--I'm dead serious if you can give me an answer to that my brain will be warped into some form of enlightenment never experienced by the likes of mankind. You have to admit it makes it seem more like you just hate a particular company, who shall remain nameless, rather then looking for the most effective form of internet picketing.
But you and I know that the reverend isn't going to fork out that kinda of cash, so what are you prepare to do?
I'm sure the union will give them a figure based on what others are flying them for like everyone else does. Either they spring for it or they don't.
Will you just take the flying for the sake of growth and an upgrade at whatever rates his divine hand gives you? Or will you stand up for the future of the profession, for your career, and for what's right?
So toilet duck, what's it going to be? I've talked to some of your peers and they will put up a fight, but they are not "faithful" followers. Which will you choose?
Honest question, no flame.
Well if you've read any of my previous posts regarding our situation you'd see I, nor anyone else, plan on flying any new additional aircraft for a number that doesn't seem fair. What determines fair will be based on many things from industry averages, company growth/finances, future outlook, work rules, and so fort. A simple "We want JBLU +$10" will get laughed at without something substantial to back it. If the time ever came I'd sit down, plug out the numbers, and decide where I'd draw the line. If not met they can keep them. I won't vote for a new larger type of aircraft on property at the expense of mainline pay or jobs. That simple. I'm content with being an FO until that is met.
Now my turn.
You keep pegging guys that work here with "Would you put up a fight or just take what he gives you". Do you not think that sounds a little hypocritical from someone who took a paycut from his management? Regardless of reason why it was still taken. Yes an FO might still make as much or more there than RAH but doesn't the point still stand? How much did that do for "the future of the profession, for your career, and for what's right"? What this points to is that everyone has a point where they'll take what's given when
they consider it justified. You're on your side of the fence and we're on ours. Your guys were faced with a decision and felt it was justified to vote yes on the concessions. Those justifications are on your own personal levels. Your opinions are widely noted but might not always be shared by all those on our end. To each his own and you need to learn to accept that. Regardless of why you found it justified to take a pay cut you make less now than you did a year ago which is not what's "best for the profession". I'm not dogging it you did what you thought you had to do but I don't think it's proper for us to be lectured then about doing what's "best for the profession". As I said I'm proud of my pilot group for achieving the things they have and have faith they'll do the right thing in the future. It's a series to steps not a single leap.