Noser, I'm not sure if you were referring to me as the bus driver, but the point that I was making is that unfortunately there is a vast amjority of mushroom or ostrich types in memphis that that have no idea of the day to day happenings within our union, never read anything from the union, and truly believe that the current leaders in the union are doing a fine job. You don't run into them in ANC or the Pacific, but they are a large number. They are the lemmings that I was referring to in my previous post. It is naive to think that everyone feels the same way that we do, or even has any knowledge of what has been going on during the past few years. I fly with and talk to guys all of the time who didn't even know that there was an LOA, much less what it smelled like. I have talked to bus guys who thought that the HKG domicile was a 757 domicile. I even ran into one guy at the grocery store in memphis last summer during the failed vacancy bid, who when I asked him how he was affected during the practice bid that came out the day prior, his answer was, What Excess bid? Just saying, it is no slam dunk.