I've read the TA. I need to re-read the details and go to the road shows. Anyone who thought we were going to get everything we wanted is living in a dreamland. Actually, the scope clause we TA'ed, I was told, was everything we wanted. My personal feeling is that if we gave anything up for a worthless piece of paper like Scope, we wasted it. Scope is and always has been worth whatever the company is willing to pay to break it IMO. Whether it be with fines or legal fees, if they determine it will be worth the effort financially they will do it. The only thing that will keep them from doing it is they know we would react as a pilot group in a very negative manner.

As far as Bitme goes, you owe and apology to every one you called a moron that did the right thing and stayed home on there days off. To generalize that anyone outside of Subic, ANC or MD11 F/O's are "morons" is showing just how much thought you put into your statements and renders your opinion less respectable. Yes, those groups stood out, and yes I was disappointed in the MD11 Capt's like BB who used this opportunity to pad their pockets but there were a great many more, including me, that did the right thing. To group everyone in with Capt's like BB and his pals was flat out wrong.

Read the TA, ask your questions, attend the roadshows and then make up your mind. Shooting from the hip after one quick read and focusing on what you perceive as the negatives doesn't serve this group very well. There will likely be good and bad. In the end decide whether or not it is worth another 2 years because historically that is what it will take if we vote this down.