pay wise we arent doing too hot over at xjt either.... in order to make ends meet over here you would need to pick up open time and with almost 400 guys on the street thats just not the right thing to do. A lot of people are hurting right now. These airlines can afford to pay their crews a liveable wage but they play games and whipshaw the ever loving sense out of each pilot group... some people see the madness and the ones who dont think your crazy.