I know it has been said already and want to say it again. We all need to draw a line in the sand when it comes to fatigue. I have made the call under personal anxiety about what will happen to me. I did have to explain myself to an ACP. I did feel a little intimidated. But at the end of the day, the ACP told me that with our schedules we will be fatigued and WE SHOULDNT FLY. He also told me the company cant do anything to us if we call in fatigued other than ask us for our recent history. It verified to me that I wont question myself again. If I am too tired, I will call in. If you look at the June bidpack, I get fatigued looking at the pairings. 10 hour layovers, late morning DH's for evening departures then hub turning. The company is sucking the life out of us. We cant help the bean counters unless we take a stand. I think we should talk to our legal reps at the union about the consequences about calling in fatigued. When I did mine recently, they wouldnt return my call after I left at least 3 messages. I talked to my ACP without representation and it was productive. ON the airport stby that started this thread, you are a better man than me. I would have pulled the plug at the out station. It makes me tired just listening to it. We dont need another incident. We all wont be flying. 4 more months and the privacy agreements on the Enders report will expire. Maybe we can get some information then.