Excellent talking points here, the basic premise is that we are ALLOWED to call in FATIGUED, should the opportunity present itself. We don't need to chastise each other here nor do we need to pass judgement on one another, but rather, we should ENCOURAGE and PROMOTE the use of this venue if we find ourselves in that corner ........................ Not to worry about all the questions that come later, but worry more if you happen to "bust ATC instructions" or worse. I have personally called FATGUED for myself and my crewmembers, when the opportunity called for it, and I might have had to answer to someone for it, but I did not fear for my job or other such nonsense. The scheduling is in the hands of those who only look at the numbers and worry about reports, not those of us who are moving the revenue and heavy metal around this place. It was once said by past Management that we "must be good, not lucky", regarding all the flights that happen here ...................... I wonder (?)