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Old 05-15-2009 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
The fighter guy who said that they learn CRM, etc. is basically wrong. The CRM you need for an airline is WAY different than what a fighter guy does. It's not better or worse, just different. In my limited fighter-type aircraft training, I was continually pushed to get in and fly, and quit using a checklist. There was no concept of flows, profiles, callouts or checklist usage like there is at an airline, so that is a disadvantage to single-pilot guys. Other guys would preflight WAY quicker than me...they said there's an ejection seat, so why bother taking so much time.

My buddy was an A-10 guy, and he had to learn MASSIVE multi-tasking, like talking and listening on three radios at once, while he flew, avoided threats, marked and ID'd targets, and acted as a FAC to bring other guys in on target. You don't get anything remotely like that normal civilian experience, so some civ things were easier for him because of it.

A multi-crew mil guy will be closest to understanding airline flying, but that doesn't mean that in 1 year he will be any better than a helo or fighter guy, there's too much variation.

The fighter guys, definitely have more outwardly exposed ego, because of the job requirements. How they fit in at an airline is basically their personality and how they choose to act. They can fit in as easily (or as crappily) as any other type of mil pilot.

For the guy(s) who were saying the military TRAINING program weeds out more guys than a civ program are just wrong. The military SELECTION proces is where the weeding is done.
atpcliff -

I agree with much of your post also except for the highlighted parts above.

IF I am the person that said that the military single seat guys learn CRM and you are saying that I am wrong then of course I'll have to disagree. For a time - I was the USN/USMC Single Seat Hornet CRM Program Manager. I even have the cool certificate I got for spending a restful week on the Pensacola beaches after I graduated from the CRM Instructor's School. You may view MY form of CRM differently than your view - we may use those 7 tenets differently than a multi-crewed aircraft - but to say that we do not use it is incorrect and not is keeping with current thinking. The days of "I don't need any CRM (or ACT as it was) because I'm single seat....." are over. Students get it at the beginning of training and at every step down the road.

Also - I'll agree with the other poster who said that there is still weeding going on throughout training. It isn't at the same rates as days past, but it still happens.

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