Originally Posted by
BoilerUP
THERE IS NO PILOT SHORTAGE
let's all say it again:
THERE IS NO PILOT SHORTAGE
...only a shortage of pilots willing to work for regional FO compensation.
I never said there was a pilot shortage, I said
applicant shortage. Read and comprehend before you quote someone and jump up and down about something I agree with you on.
Originally Posted by
AXE758
So if we're talking "extreme" situations, would you rather see everyone with an ATP hired and the airlines scrambling to find pilots and raising pay, QOL, etc. to attract them? Or would you rather see airlines filled with 300 hour wonders no matter what because they are so desperate for pilots? As the hours go lower so does the AVERAGE valuable experience. And don't start inventing situations here. I just know the next argument will be along the lines of: "Well, the pilot shortage would only get to the point where only the truly qualified people would be hired because there would be enough at that point to satisfy the numbers required."
I don't know what you are talking about, I never said any of those things. You and the guy above have me confused with someone who said there is a pilot shortage. An applicant shortage and a pilot shortage are two entirely different things. If you'd have read my posts I also said both crew members should be typed at initial which would require an ATP.
Find me a CEO who has negotiated a union contract for wages and benefits and has budgeted the next 4 years of business based on pay scales and work rules that is suddenly going to do anything with
real serious value to attract new applicants. He's going to go to the government and plead his case and have a lobbyist get the hiring minimums reduced.
My opposing view was that airlines are going to be hiring flight instructors with ATP mins and 1500 hours of 172 time getting hired. Meanwhile the 1000 hour pilot who stuck their neck out, did the leg work, found the freight job and was willing to break their backs for the last 500 hours of multi/imc/maybe even turbine that are are going to get passed up for "Mr Gold Seal". I think that person is much more experienced then the cfi for this kind of flying. And I am not just trumping up a situation. How the hell did this become an attack on me????
Originally Posted by
Boomer
What I found interesting in the Colgan transcript is the FO stating that she didn't want to upgrade until she had flown a winter in the right seat, so she would have experience in all types of weather. Her new-hire chums wanted to upgrade now, but she wasn't comfortable with that.
She sounded like she wanted to expand her envelope at a comfortable pace, but wound up on the ground anyway. I wonder if her "take it slow, learn a while" mindset is the norm at many regionals these days.
I found that both interesting and sad as well. Here was someone that wanted and I think respected the idea of actually having experienced these things before taking command of the aircraft.
I also find it sad how she is being attacked in the media. From the time the captain made a bad situation worse I think I counted 30 seconds until (Thump) most of you would agree it was beyond saving about 10-15 seconds into the stall. How many of you would call my controls with the nose 45 degrees down in a 100 degree bank 200 feet off the ground. To sit quietly behind your computer and watch 10 seconds count off the clock seems like forever. Now throw in alarms, shakers, pushers, call outs and panic. Goes by pretty quick.