Allow me to. I completely agree with you that they should get the best contract they can in their negotiations, I wasn't trying to imply that they should take a low ball offer by any means. What I was trying to convey is they should not expect to get JB or higher (whether we think they should or not). I just don't see how it is economically feasible to the bottom line. Management nor their BOD will see it that way. For their company to survive they must still remain competitive. What I was trying to state is that they are not a mainline entity and therefore cannot expect sole entity rates. Sure I would like to see them get JB or better (and please by all means hold out for it). But I do not wish them to be "stoned" if they do not receive it. I do however expect them to get close. Also, you are correct. They MUST look at the possibility that RAH will be their career employer which is why they need to negotiate the best CBA they can for the present and the future. Excellent post by the way.