Originally Posted by
slowplay
You've got a really bad memory, but since you've only been here 12 years and 1 regular Section 6 contract I can understand that. C2K must have been a terrible "give" in your opinion...as was the 73N rate, the 777 rate, the conversion of profit sharing to pay, etc.
Your right I haven't been here since 1926, but long enough to know how negotiations work. FYI I did recognize the C2K improvements.
Originally Posted by
slowplay
1. Force Majeure is a legal term applied in most contracts and enforced by courts even where the term didn't exist in the contract.
Let the courts enforce it. I just don't want the language in my contract.
Originally Posted by
slowplay
Then fondly remember your pension and all the other stuff that was taken from you in court.
In the words of my favorite President "There you go again." The courts did not terminate our pension. WE agreed to it.
Originally Posted by
slowplay
Compare it to the airlines that got large wage increases in 2000-2002. Like DAL, UAL, AAA, NWA. Lasted a long time for all of them, didn't it?
Exactly! Now you're getting my point (not). It was AA that started the avalanche, we were just the snow in the way.
Originally Posted by
slowplay
But you can't have total costs out of line with the marketplace and your competitors and survive. It appears you didn't learn the lesson the Second Circuit taught us.
Dude I've got an ex-wife so I don't like courts any more than you. That's why we need to bring the total costs of ALL the ALPA carriers up! As long as you maintain that attitude and if, it spreads, NO SOUP FOR YOU!
Again I think you missed my point. It should not be UAL-ALPA vs DAL-ALPA vs APA. We need to bring up pilot labor costs at all the carriers and quit letting the companies use negative pattern bargaining on us. How low are you willing to go?
PS- Lighten up a bit man.