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Old 06-09-2009 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ptarmigan
When (what year/month) did you fly EWR-ANC with an RFO? I am really curious on this one.
Before my time, and I've been on the jet for 12 yrs. Back in the day when I was the junior guy in the company on the MD-11 (1 full yr in ANC follwed by 6 months in MEM) I was a regular on the EWR-ANC flight since it seemed to always be in open time for reserve assignment. It is the toughest flight in the system, IMO, followed by IND-ANC , MEM-ANC and AFW/DFW-ANC! No RFOs on any.

The latest tough no RFO long flight I've done was IND-STN, again, no RFO, which followed an afternoon MEM-ANC flight, 19 hrs off, ANC-IND, and 28hrs there. By the time my afternoon alert call came in STN after 26 hrs there, I had 3 sleep cycles over the 4 days of th trip. I actually got an extra hour layover in STN, because my trip was changed. Instead of STN-CDG and 55 hrs off, I was now being scheduled to j/s to CDG from STN, hang out a couple hours and then operate a 9+58 block flight to MEM for 14+58 duty. Taking into account that I had a full 8 hr sleep in STN (in 2 blocks of sleep between 1030pm and 9am), I would have been awake and/or on duty for 24hrs at ETA in MEM! I refused to move the jet, they eventually, after a few friendly chats with the DO, put me in crew rest and operated out of CDG 18 hrs later. We missed the Sunday sort, I wonder what the bean counters thought that weekend about eliminating the CDG stand bys a few months earlier!

Anyway, until folks stand up and not only say, "yes, I'm fatigured", but "I will be fatigued if I continue" (15 hrs in my case), nothing will change!
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