Start high and bargin. We are in a period of time in which 7,8,9yr FO's will be common place. I really don't care how the number are figured but 60grand before taxes is not bad. Thats equal to 30bucks/hr at a regular job, take home a little under 40grand. Even if we do get some better pay you can count on more of the same BS. No contracts, Give backs, no location pay, I could go on and on.