Originally Posted by
SkyHigh
An airline is run by many different groups of people besides pilots. If the pilots get a pay raise then the flight attendants, mechanics, office people, rampers, gate agents and everyone else will also have their hands out. Then the aircraft leasing companies will get wise and upon time to renegotiate the rates then they too will be holding out for more money.
A simple $10 fare increase will rapidly become $100. Customers are barely holding on as it is.
Skyhigh
Pilots cannot be compared to FA, mecs, office people, rampers or gate agents but we do know that many of these are making the same or more than Junior pilots.
We are not talking about increasing the salaries for all pilots. Just for the junior pilots and that up to a fair level. The senior pilots has to stop with the attitude "If you raise for the junior pilots we want a raise". That is not going to work. The problem is the unfair low salaries for junior pilots and not the salaries for senior pilots.
You can tell any ramper, FA or gate agent what a Junior Pilot makes and ask them if they think its fair?
FA, rampers and gate agents would dream of being a pilot themselves but many would not believe junior pilots are paid that low and would accept without any problems pilots being paid much more than them.
That pax are barely holding on is bs. They are paying the same price for tickets than 1978. Nothing has gone down so much in the last 30 years as airline tickets. What use to be a luxury product can now be used by any trailer trash as if it was a bus. That is how cheap it is.
You can go to the Bahamas from FLL for $59
To say that people cannot afford more is funny. At the same time they can afford a 100% increase in gas cost for the cars or a 100% insurance home cost for their home like we got here in south Florida.
That airline ticket price has to be low is a myth that has been and is the destruction of the industry. Instead of selling quality to quality people the idea has gone to the other extrem and we are now selling volume to anybody as it is cheaper to fly than drive, take a bus, train or taxi.
People just find it funny that it is so cheap to fly.
If you cannot afford to pay what its right for flying (should be more than driving or taking a bus) then you should not fly.
The idea that everyone has to be able to afford flying is absurd and kind of an Idea from the former Sovjet Union. In a capitalist country a quality product is normally sold to those than can afford it. Why is it that airline tickets are sold to anybody as anybody can afford them?
Go to an airport and take a look at the pax. You will see that even Joe from the trailer park is flying.
The airlines put some fees on when the fuel went to the roof. Did that affect the amount flying? No. The decline in numbers are due to the economi of the country that generates less movement of people that needs to travel due to less work etc but has nothing to do with increased cost for flying.