I don't think they'll order without payrates established, I think they learned their lesson on that one with the 777s. Unless we signed off and said it's equal to the e195. Kind of like how we evidently said the 76 seat crj900 is the same payrate as a 100 seat e190. Or someone didn't know the difference in a e190 and crj900.

I guess with the carries we need to establish different rates considering the size potential of the aircraft.