We seem to disagree 100% on this subject but I enjoyed the discussion…

Your loss, buddy.

Not really a loss; I view it as a huge gain… LOL

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Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. When you are the most qualified individual around, you get your chance. If you don't like how it is, the ability to leave and go someplace where you will be given more advancement opportunity is absolutely PRICELESS. That is something you do not have right now and you seem incapable of comprehending the concept. Understandable from someone working exclusively in a union environment.

I have worked in a non-union environment… 1 corporate outfit and 2 very small airlines. What I have witnessed is a good ‘ole boy network where it’s all about who you know and not so much about what you know… I wasn’t the only one who saw the ‘system’ at work but the few who raised their voices were very promptly silenced…

I knew it was a temporary stop for me so frankly I didn’t care that much but felt sorry for the few who were hoping to stay there for the long run…

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Actually, I'm just another corporate pilot who saw the light and left the 121 world in the dust.

After witnessing your ‘most qualified individual’ system at work I knew that the corporate world wasn’t for me… Some love it and I’m happy for them (you) but to claim your ‘most-qualified’ system is superior to a seniority system is very disingenuous at best… Often it works but more often than not it is simply about connections… Has nothing to do with ones qualifications…

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When I was hired by my 'career' airline, it was healthy, ordering new airplanes, announcing new routes, etc. Funny how things change...

I don't want you to PAY for my "mistake." I want you to LEARN from my "mistake." Again, you don't seem to value your experience very much, and that's unfortunate. On the other hand, I value mine... and call me elitist if you want, but I value my experience much higher than the first year pay at any airline.

I am sorry to hear about your former airline, I truly am, but I will not expect to get ahead of you if my airline files chapter 11 and I happen to have more time in the type of airplane you fly (or happen to sleep with the chief pilot’s daughter )

I HAVE learned from your (and my) mistakes and that’s why I believe a seniority system is better than your so called ‘qualification’ system… If it worked in real life then I guess I’d consider it but the truth is that system is very flawed because it favors those in the know and not those who know…

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Not necessarily, but I want them to be able to make a livable wage should Delta ever, God forbid, tank, or they choose to leave. Again, it's called having leverage, which union pilots simply don't have. I want them to be paid in accordance with their TOTAL experience, not their DATE OF HIRE.... make sense?

I know that you want “paid in accordance with their total experience” but what you’ll get is “paid in accordance with connections and the size of their wallets.” So let’s just agree to disagree…

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Guilty as charged. What can I say... when my salary gets deposited and it's correct; when my working conditions are just as they're spelled out in my contract; when I am treated like a professional that I know I am... I guess you can say that I do believe in what "the management" tells me.

Yeah, my buddy told me that unions were not needed as long as everything is spelled out in the contract… Then JAL simply laid him off… Not saying a union would've saved him but a contract isn't always the answer either...

The real difference between you and I is that you actually believe in what your UNION tells you. I just know better...

Wrong, I trust no one but myself… however when it comes to it my union seems to protect my interests much better than the management…

PS. So what's your title anyways?