When you talked with the IBT, did you talk with anyone in local 1224? They want to be the cargo pilot union. There used to be a guy, "Rhino," with ALPA national out of Herndon, I think his full time job was organizing. Just remember, which ever way you go - and I've been both - you're going to get a structure. It's up to pilots at your airline to fill it in and make things happen.