I'm neither supporting nor knocking GJ on this thread, what I'm getting at is that they would either not exist right now or would have been brought about in a more kosher manner.

Could you please quote me one example where a National Seniority list exists and works as you advertise? Just one country?

I would think you'd be welcome on the list, but like APA you would have the right to your own union. Seems like it might defeat the purpose of what we're talking about though. The smaller guys could vote the union in or vote not to get involved just like they can now. (Example: Colgan)

So nice of you to let them in...

I just don't think it's necessary to kick a guy when he's down. "Sorry, you had bad luck, and I know you're 50 and not as likely to get hired anywhere else, but that's just too bad. Hope you like Mac n cheese... And don't worry about losing the house, apartments are cheap..." Why start at the bottom again after working so hard?

I am NOT talking about kicking a guy when he’s down, you however ARE talking about subsidizing him/her with your own salary so he/she can get in front of you if he/she has more time in that type of aircraft…

If your upgrades gets delayed by lets say 5 years you’re talking several hundred thousand dollars in pay and retirement benefits lost because you didn’t feel like “kicking him/her down” – you seem to be ok with it but is your family (or future family) ok with that too?

I am all for supporting those who need help, when there was a threat of our junior pilots getting furloughed I and hundreds of my fellow union members stepped in and found a way to keep them on the property…

What you are talking about though is an enormous charity event to protect those who might lose their jobs if their airline folds… I would say, give them preferential interviews maybe but to let them slide in ahead of others just because they flew a similar airplane somewhere else? No way!

We're subsidizing mortgages for irresponsible people who bit off more than they could chew and lenders who gave out money like it was cool. Believe me, I'm not happy about that or the GM stuff either... I don't agree that this is the same issue. All that holds a union together is the members' commitment that they'll back each other. The reason we've sunk so low is that there are pilots willing to stiff other pilots so they can move up. They do this in the name of "career progression" and don't look back. I can certainly support a fellow union member if I know the same rules will apply to me if I need them.

I’m sorry but again I disagree with you. We all make a choice and then stick with it or try something else… It sucks to have to start all over again but that’s the price you pay for having so many choices...

Many Unions = Management's whipsaw opportunity. We see that in what's happening to the industry now.

Yeah, but last time I checked Fedex and UPS management didn’t necessarily combined their forces into a FedUPS management unit… Why should then our unions combine?

Again, no harsh words intended, just my point of view. Something may very well happen to change my mind, but from where I sit, this doesn't look like a bad idea. Glad to hear you're still flying. (Glad to hear anyone's still flying)

I understand; I enjoy the discussion…