"hemaybedid" - I believe "wheremyplane" is furloughed from a major airline but I see your point... I guess I never thought of it that way but it sort of makes sense...
Av8or is kind of myopic in a way that he is incapable of seeing the big picture when it comes to piloting profession. In other words, it's all about him and his seniority that's strictly based on his date of hire.
You can call it myopic I call it logical… I do not want you to pay my mortgage neither do I want your seniority number…
Are you saying that your job is not all about you? If not than I assume you’re donating some 40% or more of your pay and benefits to the “furloughed fund” correct? Because that’s what a NSL would do – people getting in front of you simply because they had bad luck at their previous company… Is it tragic for them, absolutely it is… However, that does not mean their misfortune should turn other peoples’ lives upside down…
What the man is incapable of seeing is that NSL idea or something along those lines gives pilots the ability to say NO to getting shafted by the carpetbagger management - the pilots are able to port their pay/"seniority" some place else that might pick up the pieces. In other words, we wouldn't be racing to the bottom because we're all divided.
Please spare me your lecture - what you see to be incapable of understanding is that communism as an ideology has failed... We will ALWAYS be divided as long as there is competition in this country… I feel a kinship with other pilots BUT I am not willing to give up my benefits for their sake… Neither do I expect that from them... If there's a donation drive due to someone's illness or other tragedy - you bet you I will help out... If our (the key word is OUR) junior pilots are threatened with a furlough you bet you I'll volunteer my money and my time to prevent that from happening... However, to arbitrarily give away my seniority (i.e. money and retirement benefits) to pilots from competing airlines would, in my view, be totally insane…
Look at all these people voting "YES" to crappy contracts... and why do they do that? Let's see... what's their alternative? 1st year pay some place else... or a concession. But hey... they'll be all over this board chest-thumping how everyone should vote NO!
I’m sorry but this it total nonsense… We agree to “crappy contracts” because of the 1st year pay???
I have no idea what you’re talking about…
Let's say two pilots start their career on the same day – today. After earning their ratings one of them becomes a flight instructor for a year or so then starts at a regional airline for 2 years and then ends up at a premier major airline “A” where he/she gets to fly nice day trips, frequently gets to fly international trips and enjoys great pay and benefits…
The second pilot gets hired at several regional airlines before he ends up at a small low-cost cargo outfit “B” where no one wants to work… In fact people are leaving left and right but he/she decides to give it a chance and stays there for the long run…
Ten years later; the first pilot who’s been at the ‘premier’ outfit for almost 7 years is now looking for a job as the airline “A” has now folded.
The second pilot who’s now been at his cargo outfit “B” for almost 5 years is glad to see that his/her benefits and quality of life have greatly improved since the day he took a gamble on working there… In fact, his low-cost operator has turned into a premier airline and now many other pilots want to work at ‘his’ airline…
Since they both flew the same type of airplane based on the idea of a NSL the pilot from airline “A” can now apply to work at airline “B” and in fact upgrade sooner than the pilot who’s been there for 5 years and who believed in his/her airline when no one else did…
No way should we ever allow that!
Totally myopic and totally incapable of seeing the big picture...
Totally utopian and totally unable to think logically, moreover extremely unfair – fortunately Americans are smarter than that and it'll never happen…
Back to the subject? ...so was his wife right or not?
