Originally Posted by onetime

No retreat, no surrender! I say we get guys/gals to stop flying them. How do you propose we do that, because the things we've tried up to now have not worked or we would not be having this discussion. I'm just being a realist.

Our hard parameters will not get any better, at least until the next contract and it would appear that our soft parameters are'nt getting any better either. It might be a better idea to spend our time sending the NC our ideas of how to fix this system that obviously does not work in our independent contractor environment. And in July we can't even play the "safety" card, at least on the MD-11 DPs. Only that we can't turn with these trips and have to rest on our time off.