Originally Posted by
FR8TFLYER
As a bottom 300 hire here at UPS, I will not vote for integration of the managers. We will be the ones to really take it in the ass, ie. furlough! It will be years before the bottom 300 feel any type of job security here. UPS is not interested in growing the route structure, at least not IPA flying, they will use whatever excuses they can to farm it out. Few retirements for years to come. Most of the managers here I have met I would even want to hang out with if they were IPA, the ones who disgust me the most are those who were IPA then converted to management. Seems like Miller will try to use this to his personal advantage and be a hero by getting these guys into the IPA.
I agree completely. If 300 manglers are integrated, the bottom 300 regulars are furloughed for sure. It's actually a lot easier - the manglers are already trained, peak will be over by the time it happens, and there won't be nearly as many hard seats to fill in ANC. Right now, having a bunch of very junior FOs in ANC actually mitigates (not eliminates) possibility of a furlough. Bring in the managers and that goes away.
People who say "bringing the 300 in will cause UPS to hire MORE pilots" are dreaming. The only way I would even consider voting 'yes' is if they stapled them to the bottom of the list (with former IPAers at the bottom of that list).
For those 300-600 from the bottom: get ready to take a step back to where you were 5 years ago if this passes.