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Old 07-21-2009 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck92
I agree completely. If 300 manglers are integrated, the bottom 300 regulars are furloughed for sure.
Well, actually if they do it by the date of hire some of the manglers will become part of the 300...

I disagree with both of you by the way but that’s ok because I think that no matter what happens they'll end up setting up some kind of fences for a looong time to come... Remember that the majority of IPAers would have to vote yes BUT also the majority of the managers would need to request representation which might or might not happen...

In the long run (5+ years down the road) integration would be a huge plus for IPA...

Heck if they could come up with a permanent hiring freeze for them that alone would be a huge improvement down the line as far as pilot hiring…


Originally Posted by Buck92
...People who say "bringing the 300 in will cause UPS to hire MORE pilots" are dreaming. The only way I would even consider voting 'yes' is if they stapled them to the bottom of the list
Well, in the next 2 to 3 years I agree with you however down the road I definitely think they'd hire more pilots than they'd have to hire if the current “airline within airline” situation continued...

As far as stapling - I think there's some kind of new law out there nowadays specifically forbidding stapling-type mergers? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong?

They'd probably come up with a "quid pro quo" (something for something) agreement or the managers would never vote to join the union...

Originally Posted by Buck92
with former IPAers at the bottom of that list).
See your point here...

Originally Posted by Buck92
those 300-600 from the bottom: get ready to take a step back to where you were 5 years ago if this passes.
I disagree because I think they'd fence us in for several years... As of right now every one of the managers whether hired 10 years ago or 2 years ago is "senior" to all of us!