Originally Posted by
Navy8n
I really enjoy reading your comments here Lifer!
So if I listen to your reasoning... You discount my statements as arrogant and BS when I plainly admit that I am basing much of those statements as opinions (my own I might add) and conjecture. And we should listen to what you are saying because you speak of "weekly updates" from BB as a signed sealed and delivered CBA. You can demand all you like but that doesn't necessarily mean that is what you are going to get. I know you are aware of this. I don't know why you continue to speak as if you are the only one making the decisions for RAH. You can no more speak for a fact of what will happen to F9 pilots if they come to RAH than you can if they come to SWA or anywhere else... That is b/c you are one pilot in an entire group. Sure.. State your opinion. But don't argue that you know everything that will happen ("I fly for Republic--you don't. I know the facts and direction we are going and taking--NO SPECULATION OR RHETORIC---JUST FACTS!!!) and then be so hypocritical as to say that I am arrogant. I have plenty of compassion... Just not for the stupid
" Yes, sadly SWA is making this move due in part to eliminate competition. "
"I Guess Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped."
You quoted me... insulted my statement when in fact it was your own statement to begin with ("Unlike SWA, We are not bidding for F9 to GET RID OF THE COMPETITION!") and you tell me I have a problem with comprehension??? I was agreeing with you.
"You, and SWA, are not the Gods and Saviors of Mankind---and you never will be." Thanks for clarifying this...
I must say that I have never once heard a bad thing about the bros and sisters over at RAH... Once again I reiterate that I wish you folks the best. I hold absolutely no animosity toward that group or any other Pilot group. I wonder if you can say the same?
As stated before, I look forward to seeing the F9 guys on campus w/ a pay protection. That is the right answer (in my in-compassionate opinion). You have opportunity for growth still and you also have job security.
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Originally Posted by
flyguy23
You may be surprised to hear, there are many F9 pilots who would prefer to go with Republic. There is a solid chance their jobs will remain intact with republic. People are crying about pay cuts, but Republic does not have a payscale for the airbus and the F9 rates would be maintained. The airbus will not be traded for 190s like many speculate. They serve markets the 190 would not do as well in. The potential is there for growth if you go with republic. The potential is there for a furlough at southwest, and given swa is already overstaffed, im guessing it won't fair well for most F9 guys/gals. However, if F9 gets a fair integration by their standards with swa, they'd be crazy not to take it.
This is my point also. I have been around many years and have seen with my own eyes big airlines shutting small ones down. Republic has a plan to grow F9. I personally believe that F9 guys would end up in a much better position in the long term to be bought by Republic.
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Originally Posted by
Herkulesdrvr
Dont take this the wrong way but if this is an acquisition, wouldn't Frontier guys automatically get stapled to the bottom of the list? Also, I don't see how the most junior guy at SWA who bought a type rating could possibly be bumped in seniority. Don't get me wrong Frontier is a great place but without SWA they probably would end up with Republic. I guess you have to go with the better company in SWA even if it means having a job.
You may be surprised to hear, there are many F9 pilots who would prefer to go with Republic. There is a solid chance their jobs will remain intact with republic. People are crying about pay cuts, but Republic does not have a payscale for the airbus and the F9 rates would be maintained. The airbus will not be traded for 190s like many speculate. They serve markets the 190 would not do as well in. The potential is there for growth if you go with republic. The potential is there for a furlough at southwest, and given swa is already overstaffed, im guessing it won't fair well for most F9 guys/gals.
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Originally Posted by
flyguy23 
You may be surprised to hear, there are many F9 pilots who would prefer to go with Republic. There is a solid chance their jobs will remain intact with republic. People are crying about pay cuts, but Republic does not have a payscale for the airbus and the F9 rates would be maintained. The airbus will not be traded for 190s like many speculate. They serve markets the 190 would not do as well in. The potential is there for growth if you go with republic. The potential is there for a furlough at southwest, and given swa is already overstaffed, im guessing it won't fair well for most F9 guys/gals. However, if F9 gets a fair integration by their standards with swa, they'd be crazy not to take it.
This is my point also. I have been around many years and have seen with my own eyes big airlines shutting small ones down. Republic has a plan to grow F9. I personally believe that F9 guys would end up in a much better position in the long term to be bought by Republic.
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Originally Posted by
flyguy23
You may be surprised to hear, there are many F9 pilots who would prefer to go with Republic. There is a solid chance their jobs will remain intact with republic. People are crying about pay cuts, but Republic does not have a payscale for the airbus and the F9 rates would be maintained. The airbus will not be traded for 190s like many speculate. They serve markets the 190 would not do as well in. The potential is there for growth if you go with republic. The potential is there for a furlough at southwest, and given swa is already overstaffed, im guessing it won't fair well for most F9 guys/gals
Wow good points, I never thought of it in that respect. Yeah swa is overstaffed but they have never furloughed from what I understand. However, if there is no established payscale on the bus and Republic takes over then maybe things could go better over there. Why did I get into this business is the real question I'm asking now, haha. Thanks for the insight
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" And we should listen to what you are saying because you speak of "weekly updates" from BB as a signed sealed and delivered CBA "
I never said anyone should " Listen " to Me--I said that what I speak of is based on facts--THAT COME DIRECTLY FROM THE CEO, WHO MAKES IT VERY CLEAR TO US WHAT HIS VISIONS AND INTENTIONS ARE.
Yes, you do have a problem " Reading for Comprehension "
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BTW,
Podcasts, Weekly Updates
don't deliver a
New Signed, Sealed, and Delivered CBA--We, as a Pilot Group Do!
" You discount my statements as arrogant and BS when I plainly admit that I am basing much of those statements as opinions (my own I might add) and conjecture"
Your Statements are Arrogant---using Opinion and Conjecture in the same Sentences--as others use Rumor and Speculation--doesn't lend anymore credibility to your so-called Qualifier " I Plainly Admit That I Am Basing those Statements as..........."
How " Noble " of You.
I try to give the people involved useful information--that they can use to make somewhat informed choices/decisions.
Far more than your so called, Opinion and Conjecture.
The battle is not between you or me--it's about people being able to continue to be Gainfully Employed--Supporting their Families!
Let's try to give them beneficial information--along with some compassion!
Debating me on the winfalls of either plan--gets
us nowhere.
If Growth is really not part of the SWA Long Term Plan for F9--then put it out there truthfully--and let F9 make up their own minds.
If Growth is part of the long term plan--then prove all of us wrong, including the opinions of those posted above--because they want to continue to be
Gainfully Employed and not be subjected to Rumor or Conjecture!
I can tell you that growth For F9 is part of our Plan--and that is not Conjecture.
To care for anyone else enough to make their problems one's own, is ever the beginning of one's real ethical development.