Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE

I have no idea why you decided to give me a linguistic lesson on this subject?

My friend tells me he was laid off so that's what I call it... People get fired when they've done something wrong; in his and everyone else's case JAL simply canceled all contracts for western pilots... I'll let him know that according to you he was not laid off but fired, I' sure he'll feel better...


Since you chose to quote wikipedia...

Involuntary termination

Involuntary termination is the employee's departure at the hands of the employer. There are two basic types of involuntary termination, known often as being "fired" and "laid off." To be fired, as opposed to being laid off, is generally thought of to be the employee's fault, and therefore is considered in most cases to be dishonorable and a sign of failure. Often, it may hinder the new job-seeker's chances of finding new employment, particularly if he/she has been fired from earlier jobs. Job-seekers sometimes do not mention jobs which they were fired from on their résumés; accordingly, unexplained gaps in employment, and refusal to contact previous employers are often regarded as red flags.


My friend (and the rest of JAL pilots) was definitely laid off and NOT fired.


Now let's go back to helping UPSMISTAKES in hating this company, ok?